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#Help! #Newsletters and e-mail lists. Do share yours!

Hi all:

I need your help once again. As you know I’ve been thinking about book marketing strategies, looking at what has worked well for me so far (? I enjoy the interaction with other bloggers and I’ve met very interesting people, both fellow authors and non-authors [not many left] but what might make a book sell remains a mystery to me), and what are the things that I haven’t tried.

From the very beginning I heard, and I was advised, to have a newsletter. As I didn’t have many (any?) followers at the time, and I wasn’t sure about my plans, I didn’t, and to this day I haven’t. I’ve read posts about the mechanics of it, possible tools, etc. I understand it is a way to be in touch with your readers (or clients if you do other things) and of collecting an e-mail list.

Angel with book

The reasons why I haven’t yet set up a newsletter are varied. I don’t know how much time I’d be able to dedicate to it. I translate, I blog, I read and review, I write… Life? What’s that? I know frequency can be varied but still… I write in different genres, and many avid readers readmostly within their preferred genre. Would I have to have different newsletters and different lists for different readers? Would I have enough to write in them? Or should I assume that people would read anything I write because it’s mine? (Ja!) Also, most newsletters offer something as a way of enticing people to sign. A PDF of some sort, a story. Many seem to be how to booklets but if one only writes fiction and with so much fiction already available free, what could I offer? (Yes I could translate a page for somebody but that might work for the translating, but not for the books, and it could end up being very labour intensive).

So, once more I’m looking for help from you, authors and anybody else who might have a newsletter. And from people who sign onto newsletters too. Or have an opinion.

To people who have newsletters: How often do you publish them? What kind of content you offer? Do you have a giveaway or special offer as a way of getting people to sign on the dotted line? What tools do you use in relation to it (to reply, to collect e-mail addresses)? If you write in different genres, do you have only one newsletter and mix content or would you publish a different newsletter for different topics? And, as I’m so terrible with designs and visuals, feel free to share yours in the comments, for inspiration (and of course, hopefully some people will sign).

To people who subscribe to newsletters (yes, I do sometimes), what encourages you to sign? What content do you like to see in them? How often is too often? What makes you unsubscribe? And, what do you think about the pop-up boxes? (I must confess I hate them with a passion).

Before I leave, I must make an apology and a confession. I got Sally Cronin’s (don’t miss her blog) invitation to the impromptu writing that is going around. I thought I’d do it over the weekend but still went to her blog to thank her. And being me, I was going to leave a comment and inadvertently read the prompt. So I ruined the experiment. Since then, I’ve seen quite a few people taking part, so I have no idea whom I might be able to invite. So, I’ve decided to file the idea and get it going again at some time in the future, when everybody has forgotten about it (and hopefully I’ve published the series, so I won’t have so many things in my head) and catch everybody unawares.

And, before I leave you today, and on the subject of letters…

Ketty Lester, because I love you all.

Thank you all for reading, and you know, like, share, comment…and if you want to CLICK somewhere, please, do!

By olganm

I am a language teacher, writer, bookworm, and collaborator at Sants 3 Ràdio (a local radio station in Barcelona, where I returned in 2018), who lived in the UK for 25 years and worked for many years as a forensic psychiatrist there. I also have a Ph.D. in American Literature and an MSc in Criminology. I started publishing my stories, in English and Spanish, in 2012 and now have over twenty books available in a variety of genres, a blog (in English and Spanish), and translate books for other authors (English-Spanish and vice versa). In 2020 obtained the CELTA certificate as a language teacher, and offer Spanish and English classes. Writers and readers both in English and Spanish are my friends, colleagues, and allies, and after living in the UK for over twenty-five years, have returned home, to Barcelona, Spain, searching for inspiration for my stories. I also love owls and try to keep fit following fitness YouTube videos.
Do feel free to connect with me. Here are:
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56 replies on “#Help! #Newsletters and e-mail lists. Do share yours!”

Indeed. Although some people seem to have a knack for it. The thing is that I know people who read, who even when they might be in social media, it would never occur to them to go there seeking advice or information about book.They might go to a book site, or to a bookshop (physical or online) or talk to people and get personal recommendations.

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I agree. I have thought about another blog where all we do is list book reviews and links to where the book can be purchased. If set up by genre, it would be a resource that could grow with time. You would need quite a few folks to keep it going. It would be an online book store. 😊📕📖📒📔📚

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Yes, I think some people have tried to do similar things, but as you say you’d need a few people, and patience to grow it over time. the issue is reaching readers… Depending on the genre, local markets might work, but it tends to be very specific and it depends on the place, for sure. Thanks Colleen!

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There are. Barnes and Noble, Kobo, Smashwords, Apple, Google, places where you get a membership (like Scribd, Oyster) and I know people who sell directly in their own websites, but ensuring enough traffic is… difficult unless you’re fairly big.

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I wish you would do a post about this. I had no idea there were that many places to market to. I have so much to learn. :-/

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I take note, Colleen. Once I’m through some of the post for the series I’ll do one. I know a lot of authors who swear by Amazon and don’t use anything else. And indeed they are the biggest, but anecdotally I’ve heard of people who sell more in other channels, but it’s rare (the only advantage being that there tends to be less offer, so it is possible that one might be more visible).

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I want to know all there is. We are the CEO’s of our publications and how can we make an educated choice if we don’t know the options. Thanks Olga, and I look forward to your post. ❤

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You’re right. I created a power-point presentation with the basics of publishing but due to life I haven’t checked or updated it for a while. I always thought I’d either share it or try to do something with it, but it’s not earth shattering information. If you’re interested I’ll happily send it to you (although as I was saying, not sure is as up-to-date as it could be).

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It is a “pickle” isn’t it, Olga? It seems like a good idea. Yet all the things you mentioned are the same things that hold me back. Plus I already put in my blog wht I would put in a newsletter… I shrug…

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Thanks Teagan. Yes, I also feel my blog is my biggest source of interaction, the place where my most up-to-date information is, and where I write about random things, but also news about my writing. So a newsletter I guess would be just a summary, if that. I also have a website where I also post the blog. I guess people who follow the blog wouldn’t read anything new in the newsletter, and I can imagine I’d get many other followers…
The other issue would be maybe having not the standard wordpress free site but one personalised one, but as I already have a separate website… it would mean reorganising everything. I guess I might see what happens with the series and reevaluate…

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Hi Olga, I have heard the same thing about email list, but haven’t figured out how to gain more members. I have a handful and I currently send my newsletter once a month unless there is a big announcement I want to make. Otherwise I use it as a monthly wrap-up. It will be interesting hearing what others have to say on their process. This is a great post.

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Thanks Lisa. Nice to see you here. I see many people (especially in Twitter) offering articles with advice, PDFs and courses on these matters. Having checked some of them, out of interest, they tend to be very general (quality content, offer something to people, blah, blah), but a lot I think tends to work better for other products rather than books. I guess offering readers of the newsletter bonuses, like special discounts, or exclusive stories, or content that other people might not have access to could work, but again, for that, as you say, you need to have a bit of a follow and a readership for people to be interested. Many of the newsletters I’ve seen around tend to offer things that aren’t related to fiction writing, so…
Let’s see what people say and I’ll try and keep a list for possible reading related to the topic, if I find any interesting articles.

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Thanks Lisa. Yes, at the beginning everything seems new and interesting, and eventually you realise much of the advice is the same, but the evidence is not always there. I have some books on marketing books that I haven’t had the chance to look at yet…

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I really wish I could help you Olga but promotion is a minefield I still haven’t got to grips with and so a newsletter doesn’t feature is my arsenal. However I couldn’t pass by without saying hello and diolch for the song which I haven’t heard in ages.
xxx I send you Gigantic Hugs and hope you find what you need xxx

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Thanks David. Yes, I know. I think each person has to find not only what might work for them, but also what they feel comfortable doing (I guess there are things that don’t go with our style, so…).
I’ve loved the song since it featured in David Lynch’s ‘Blue Velvet’ that has a fantastic soundtrack.
Big hugs!

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Thanks Hilary. Yes, so far that has been my take, although your idea of having the news column in the website is good. I have a page for the books that I update regularly (sort of…).
I used to have a contact form and before a sign book but definitely I had very few visitors. I’ve added a contact page to the blog, just in case…
Thanks so much.

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Good morning Olga. I realise I am not an author, but as marketing artwork is very similar in many ways to marketing books, I will give you my two pence worth.
If you did write a newsletter – Something once a quarter would be more than enough, especially given that you have a an active blog.

I find that if I subscribe to one and it arrives every week, I never have time to read, unless its of very specific interest to me and even then……
I would not give freebies with a newsletter…..the content should be enough for those who are interested, and I would say one newsletter would cover all your work, which would also make it more diverse and interesting.
I hope this helps. Janet. x

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Thanks Janet. Yes, I also have that issue with some of the newsletters I’ve signed. Some come very often and some hardly ever and when they arrive I’ve forgotten why or if I signed on to them.
There is the issue of having people sign or follow just for the sake of numbers, but after all, in most cases that’s not what we’re after, so you’re probably right about the free stuff. No point in having people follow if they aren’t interested.
I’ve seen recently people who have the sign for newsletter pop-up box in the blog, that doesn’t even let you read the content, irrespective of if you’ve actually already joined or not.
Have a magical week!

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I’m not going to be of any help, Olga, as I have gone as far as I can with this marketing business. For all I know, it could all be as hopeless as it seems, but I cannot do any more. I love what I do, and at the moment that’s most important.
If you have an active, well constructed and informative blog, why would you need a newsletter too?

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Thanks. Yes, That’s always been my thought too. I’m just wondering if somebody who has both has seen such a great result or knows why they would work differently. Some people insist in “capturing” e-mail addresses, but it seems that most of us prefer not to be contacted directly. Although, of course, it could well be that readers feel differently about that.
I’m with you, if we don’t know what works, we might as well do the things that we enjoy and that made us get started. Let’s keep writing!

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I don’t have a newsletter Olga. I subscribed to one for a while but it felt like just another ‘please buy my book begging letter.’ Perhaps a special post on one’s blog every few months where you bring people up to date with your writing, life etc. The sad thing is it all comes back to authors trying to sell their books to other authors.
Cheers
Laurie.

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Thanks Laurie. Yes, that’s been my feeling for a long time. Then there are the book bloggers, but apart from fairly new ones, they are overwhelmed too.
On the other hand, although it wasn’t very pleasant, so far I seem to have survived to the dentist…
🙂

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Going to the dentist and trying to sell books involves the same feelings of dread and anticipation Olga. Hope you’re feeling better. 🙂

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No, it was a recall and they gave me a courtesy car, so other than the time, I got to play with a new car. They are rather nice at the garage. I wish all the costumer service people were like those.

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I have nothing constructive to add about newsletters Olga. But I love the song, and we also have an identical Angel figure to the one pictured, bought as a gift for Julie.
Best wishes as always, Pete.

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Thanks Pete. I do love the song so much. The angel was a present from the place where I used to work. I can’t remember quite how long ago. It used to live in my office there, but now it’s come home. And as my next series is about angels, I thought he deserved a picture.

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My daughter has an educational website – and the newsletter – thing works very well – BUT she has LOTS of products, gives something for free (they have to come to the website to get it) and then they are in a good mood and buy other stuff too. I cannot see that the newsletter-thing will ever work for an author. There are thousands (millions?) of free books so what else is there to give away? Advice is abundant everywhere … Writing tips are abundant …. I never sign up for emails. Just clutters my inbox. The only way to sell books is to advertise them (which costs money) and even then success is not guaranteed. What makes a book sell well? Nobody knows! Potters (huge advertising) . Fifty shades? (perhaps the idea that one shouldn’t read stuff like that and then everybody wants to … ) Famous authors have a following – but how did they start being famous? Nobody knows. It’s like the wind. Nobody knows which way it is going to blow. And it changes direction every so often. I think, one just have to write the best book you can, See what you can do and that is that. There IS NO MAGICAL ADVICE that will guarantee a lot of sales.

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Yes. Most of the advice I’ve read about newsletters made sense to me for other kinds of businesses where you can advertise new seasonal products, new services, etc. Perhaps if one writes non-fiction in a specific area and gets a following… But in fiction, even if you write a series, you can follow an author wherever you buy and they send you a notification when something new is published by that author. The same in places like Goodreads. They even notify you of events coming up for books on you to be read list.
I know there’s no magical advice. The same as there’s no magical pill that makes one become beautiful or thin. But it’s always good to see what people think. Let’s share that we don’t know!

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Perhaps the newsletter will work if you have a series of books. Apparently the free-thing works well for that too.Books are notoriously difficult to sell – in real life too. There aren’t so many people who read and those who do, read. They don’t want to read emails or blogs for that matter. Oh well. Good luck to us all.

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Olga, I publish an email newsletter once a month, and I publish a more extensive version of it (usually in terms of pictures and other media) on my blog the same day, pointing email subscribers to that link. My May 2015 issue may be viewed HERE. With several different editions of several books in my pipeline at any given moment, plus appearances and the occasional Other Than Writing announcement, I find that the newsletter is a good way to keep people updated.

Does it result in sales? God knows. But now that I cross-post it on my blog, and through the magic of Triberr, The Dawnflier does get a lot of attention these days. Oh, and why “The Dawnflier” title? It’s a play on my first novel, the first edition of which was published in 1999 by Simon & Schuster, Dawnflight. You are welcome to subscribe to see for yourself!

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Thanks Kim. Yes, I did notice you have a good number of books published and evidently have been doing this for a long while. I guess the more things one does, the more difficult it becomes to calculate what the effect of an individual thing is. But you do have a following, so I’m sure they’ll be happy to receive the newsletter. I’ll go and have a look…:)

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To be honest, while I love writing and feel it is my true calling, I am not that good at marketing, and my sales figures sadly reflect this. I’ve loads of people who say things like “Jolly interesting post and a lot of it is correctly spelt” and that kind of thing but they don’t then go the extra mile and actually buy a book so I’m not sure how useful a newsletter would be.

I think about this subject obsessively myself, but without firm conclusions. If you find something which works reliably do please let me know, and sorry for writing such a long reply. You have the aura of a person who is patient and understanding, and that can be a burden in Blogland as I’ve just demonstrated. !!

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Peter, I keep asking questions, so I shouldn’t complain if people reply. Nothing worse than feeling you’re talking to yourself. And indeed, it’s good to know one is not alone. Maybe we should run a group for writers puzzled and confused by marketing. I can see great future for it.
With regards to your comment, the same happens to me, although of course, it’s not as if I ever get thousands and thousands of view. According to the people that insist they know about this, the conversion rate is very low (1% or something of the sort. More optimistic ones say 4%, but even with that), so one would need to get a lot of attention to sell even one book. And then, there’s the issue of writers following writers. I enjoy blogging, but I’ve read that it’s a long-term strategy with regards to selling (with luck, perhaps). And of course, that insight was years back. Now things like visibility, etc, has become more complicated and most social media is geared towards emphasising content that brings them money, so it’s probably even less effective.
But hey, where else would we meet and have a chat?
If I do find a gold mine, I’ll inform back.

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Well, the info is interesting, because I honestly thought I might be the only person left who didn’t have one, but I see that’s not the case. 🙂

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I’m going to lend my voice to the others who have no clue about what makes a book sell. Newsletters are a ton of work and I think most people who receive them see them as sales ploys rather than as informational. That is a turn-off for lots of people (unless you are a famous author and people are waiting with baited breath for your next book to come out.

My sales are pitiful even though the feedback I’ve gotten is that the books are wonderful (does no one want to tell me that they are horrible?). I did find that local marketing–public readings, contacting area book clubs, getting newspaper interviews, going to libraries to do talks–that kind of thing worked well for me. I’m even offering a writing workshop through my local library and using my books as examples, hoping the attendees will want to buy the books. Face time with the author works better than cyber promotion. At least that’s what I have found. Also, physical books have sold better than e-books in my case. Go figure!

I don’t know if any of this helps, but this has been my experience in the mysterious world of marketing.

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Thanks Lorna. It’s very interesting. With all my recent trips I haven’t had much time to explore the local scene (I managed to get in touch with a writer’s group, but none of them have published) and there are no bookshops anywhere near unless I go to the city that’s rather big (and although I offered my books to that library, I’m still waiting for a reply). I’m investigating book signings, but the ones I’ve seen through some of the UK groups in Facebook are booking in two years time and they seem to be very elaborate affairs (in huge hotels, where you have to pay a hefty fee, although I’m thinking of attending one just to see what they are about, but as I’m so late in the game I’ll have to probably just go as public). I will check for book clubs and will visit the library again and see if we can plot something, although it might need to wait until after the series is out. I tried the market once with no success (mind you, it was freezing cold and the only stall that did anything was the one selling cooked breakfast).
I don’t sell much of anything, but paper… I think probably in the single numbers, apart from some I bought myself for some people who’d asked me.
Yes, it does help. I was never very keen on the newsletter, but now I’m even less keen…:)

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